Sonic Youth

Sonic Youth

by Keiron Mellotte

I'm sitting listening to a weathered copy of "Sister", one of Sonic Youth's more extreme LPs. The phone rings and when I answer, I get the most simple of earth-shattering questions - do I want to interview Sonic Youth? Expletives fail me. I try to be cool but all I can manage is a spaced-out "Yes".

Twenty minutes later , I'm sitting by the phone armed with the naffest, most unaskable questions in the history of amateur journalism. I'm greeted by an amiable, eloquent Steve Shelley, Sonic Youth's 30 year old drummer-cum-musical obsessive, the man who introduced the "maracas as drumsticks" approach to Indie Rock.

However, my unease temporarily overcome, I ask him what he's been up to, this last ten months, since the end of the Dirty tour. (The conversational gates are, as they say, open.)

Well, I guess I, we all, have been pretty busy,. We finished recording the new LP with the producer Butch Vig, whom we like working with very much, and we've done a video for the single "Bull in the Heather". Recording the LP was wild. It was done on this old 6/18 track which had a real Rock `n' Roll feel to it. All the songs were done pretty quickly and we're really pleased with the results.

Where does it fit in musically in comparison to the other Sonic Youth LPs?

I think it's more in the tradition of "Sister" and "Evol". There's less of the straight Rock and Roll songs like 100%, Sugar Kane, Youth vs Fascism from Dirty - more narrative songs with things going on in them.

There's even an acoustic ballad on it?

Yeah, it's true. We did a song with an acoustic guitar through this distortion amp called "the denis" which brings the vocals and the acoustic out really weird. What happened was that we had a bunch of songs that we wrote at the end of the recordings that we wanted to go in and do all at once, it just ended up on the LP.

Does the inclusion of an acoustic ballad mean that Sonic Youth are finally mellowing?

No, I don't think that that's the case. I think that we've always made our recordings a little rough - we like to make music and still see the rough edges. In that respect, this LP's no different from any other that we've done. And if it sounds like we're maturing, I guess we're all of us a little older. I think that the tendency is for bands to do their best work earlier on in their careers and as they get older or more successful, they get blander. With Sonic Youth, I think, at the moment, there's still so much to do musically within and without the band, and that hopefully we've still to create our best work - but, at the end of the day, we don't really want to bland out. So long as we can continue to do music that excites us - as musicians and as fans alike -then we'll still continue to create, hopefully, exciting music that still has a spark. Like the stuff we listen to.

What kind of music is doing the do on the Sonic Youth turntable at the moment?

Oh, you know, the same stuff we always liked and some kinda new stuff. I've got a tape of some new stuff by Lou Barlow, that he's going to put out on my new record label, I think, recorded on a four track, lot's of sample tapes and percussion, which I think is really good. I really like Jon Spencer Blues Explosion - those guys are great players and I think they're really in a great place , musically, right now. Also the Afghan Whigs, and Neil Young of course, loads of other things too, too numerous to talk about in such a short time."

As all the band have their various side projects and interests - is there anything outside music that interests Sonic Youth as a band or individually

Well, I can only speak for myself. But I feel at 30 years of age that I really have so much to accomplish in music and I'm such a self-critical type that I don't have much other than my music and my label to concern myself with. We're all kind of interested in film production, but I'd rather be doing sound tracks and more background music. I don't know if you know it, but we did a sound track for a flop American movie called Made in The USA, that starred Chris Penn, that was fun - and, in actual fact, I think Rhino Records are they are planning to release it as an LP some time later on this year. It's basically just instrumental stuff.

Knowing that you're all fans of the new wave of American/Canadian film makers, like Quentin Tarantino and Hal Hartley. Would you like to work with them?

Oh, I think so. That's where I'd be most happy, working on some instrumental stuff like that.

It seems to be a mutual admiration thing as Quentin is often sporting Sonic Youth Tees and Hal has used Kool Thing in one of his more recent releases Simple Men.

Yeh, did you see that? That was fucking wild, in the middle of all those beautiful snatches Yo La Tanga, they all start dancing to Kool Thing.

Does that sort of reference or respect please you?" Does it give a kind of stamp of critical approval to what you do and, most importantly, is it pleasing?

Well, you've got to distance yourself from that sort of thing, otherwise, you could get a real swelled head. It's pleasing that these people that we're fans of, could be fans of ours - but you don't like to examine it too closely. The whole fan/idol thing's very hard to discuss.

Especially when you're revered by many as a very influential and important band at the moment. Do you see this influence come through in the people who are fans of Sonic Youth and in your own music when it's been influenced by others?

Well, yes in a way, I can see someone developing an idea we've had whether it's a coincidence - or we have directly influenced them. If it's the latter then we're really flattered. There's nothing Sonic Youth likes better than when someone copies us and does something new and different with it.

Is it flattering when Pavement, Cell, the Blues Explosion or whoever, come along and are in some ways carrying the Sonic Youth flag?

Oh yes, of course, but these bands - having toured with us - carry a kind of seal of approval `cause they've done something new with it. That's what makes them great bands and, in some ways, humbles us.

What about Neil Young? He is supposed to be a big influence on Sonic Youth, as a band - yet he clearly took a leaf out of your book after being involved with the band.?

Well people keep telling us that and that's what made the tour with him so really weird. It was a dream come true to be playing with Neil and considering that we played with him for three months of the tour, I must have watched him most nights. I was up in the front row for the whole show, getting my head blown off and saying "Wow, this guy's a fucking genius." But in terms of influence, we don't go and see these people and then write stuff, song writing isn't that instant. What happens is more that in music a lot of ideas have been used - but they all bounce round between bands and if you get ideas sometimes they stick later on when you have your own ideas.

Despite the the thrill of playing with Neil Young, it doesn't sound from your voice like you had a good time doing it?

I wouldn't say that but it was such a strange time. In the middle of the Gulf War and America was real fuckin' ugly, playing these big arenas that aren't much fun to be at, hanging around all day waiting to play after sound check. When we like to see the places we're at - visit record shops and second-hand clothes shops. The crowd weren't into what we were doing - so we were even more reactionary -playing songs off our early LPs. The crowd were even less receptive and we just pleased ourselves. The crew were this really typical red-neck Rock'n'Roll crew who treated us like shit. It was just a real case of bad timing and unfortunate personnel.

Do experiences like that make it more necessary for you all to go and do your own thing, have a rest and recharge the creative batteries that contribute to Sonic Youth?

Oh sure, but I think that's really healthy. We're all really into the stuff we all do individually and because it's lower key, it's usually lower-fi! It Helps makes things a lot more interesting. I've got my own record label "Smells Like Records" which I'm going to be working on a lot. Thurston and Lee are still involved with Ecstatic Peace records. Kim and Thurston do work with Geffen and Kim's going to do stuff with Free Kitten. Also I'm going to do stuff with Thurston and this guy called Kim Foly.

Who used to be in Half Japanese?

Yeh, I used to go to school with him. I don't know what we're going to call it: Thurston Moore Jazz Trio! Who knows. And I'm supporting Nirvana with the Raincoats this Spring.

How did that come about?

Well, Geffen are rereleasing the Raincoats LP and they got the chance to tour it. We met them and I knew they were looking for a drummer. I thought it would be fun to go out on the road on such a small level.

Does that mean that Sonic Youth will or won't be touring after Kim has the baby at the beginning of June?

I hope that we will, but there are no firm plans. Blast first celebrates its 10th anniversary later on this year and we would like to do something to celebrate that. Perhaps more low-key. We will be touring Europe this year, but I reckon a full tour would be pretty late on.

It sounds like you're going to be pretty busy for the rest of 1994.

Oh yeah, there is still so much to do and thats the way we like to work. Sonic Youth are, hopefully, going to be prolifically creative for the rest of our careers and I feel like we're on a roll right now.

Is it rewarding spiritually and financially or does Rock'n'Roll creativity come cheap?

Well, I won't say money isn't important `cause I guess we've all got to pay the rent. But as long as there's food on the table, I don't care much. Sonic Youth is rewarding and it makes other, more self indulgent, projects possible, so I guess, ultimately, yes is the answer to your question!

We talk further running up the Convulsion phone bill; discussing Jon Spencer, the mighty Afghan Whigs and Liz Phair at some length. Steve uses words like Creativity, Art and Integrity in a non-pretentious and honest fashion. He allows you to see that he really is a fan of the music which his band have become representatives of. He wants to meet again, swap cassettes, talk about music, I'm honoured, tho' clearly not worthy. He even seems really chuffed that we named our humble little club, Evol after one of their old LPs. And when I go home later and play my slightly weathered copy of "Sister", I'm excited again: and true to form, it still sounds as fresh and innovative as if it were released today.

File under Genius.